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Too posh to push?
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#1 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 8:40:50 AM(UTC)


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If caesareans are good enough for celebrity mums such as Angelina and Gwyneth, then why not you? But is it really a safer, easier and more convenient option?

Caesareans are one of hottest topics in childbirth right now. More Australian women are likely to give birth via caesarean this year than at any other time in history. Australia's caesarean rate has been rising steadily since the 1970s, when it hovered at around five percent of all births.

As surgical and anaesthetic techniques improved, the rate quickly doubled, then doubled again to reach 19 percent in 1994, 27 percent in 2002 and then 30 percent in 2006. One-in-three pregnant Australian women now give birth via caesarean, and the rate is increasing at about one percentage point annually.


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Did you have a caesarean birth? Was it an emergency decision or a planned caesarean? Have you had a vaginal birth after a caesarean, or vice versa?
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#2 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 8:49:10 AM(UTC)

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The thought of a Caesarian really freaks me out !! Although natural childbirth is painful (especially without any drugs!) I could never ever opt for an elective C-Section. I don't think the aftermath is worth it to be honest. I love being able to get up straight away and do stuff.

The woman in the room next to me had a C-Section (not sure if it was an elective C) but she dropped some of her clothes and she called out for some help as she couldn't get them so I picked them up for her. I just don't see why women would choose to go through all of the post C-Section recovery when they could have next to no recovery period.

But each to their own. For some women it may be a psychological-based choice- they might be very fearful of childbirth and unable to work through their fears etc.




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#3 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 8:51:51 AM(UTC)

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I've just recently had my first caesarean with my third child. I feel that I'm too posh to push now :oops: . But that is probably from my labour experiences. And since our family is 'done' now I don't have to worry about it anymore :wink:

First child was the best labour. Only had gas and she was a nice easy and active labour and delivery.

Second child was posterior and I was confined to the bed so it was quite painful and I had the works including eppidural. She was born via ventouse delivery.

Third child was 5 weeks early with waters breaking without going into labour. Contractions were encouraged with a drip. I was having what they call a 'dry labour' which is apparently more painful than normal. I was also confined to bed and had enough of the pain quite early on. Baby also moved into an odd position. I was relived that I had to have a caesarean due to the baby becoming distressed - non life threatening emergency caesarean.

Sure there was pain for a little while afterwards, but nothing I couldn't handle.

Obviously I consider a natural vaginal delivery optimal for both mother and baby, but there are some circumstances that make it more difficult or even impossible for this to occur. It ultimately comes down to the mothers choice - as long as everyone is healthy and happy that's what counts.
BekL&E Offline
#4 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 8:53:58 AM(UTC)

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"MotherGoddess" wrote:

But each to their own. For some women it may be a psychological-based choice- they might be very fearful of childbirth and unable to work through their fears etc.


My friend/X Boss was like that. She had a perfectly healthy pregnancy but chose an elective C/S under general with both her children (the last one in November 09) because she feared all things child birth!! It's not what I would want personally... but I suppose she was paying for it (private cover) and it was her ideal birth so that's up to her!!
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#5 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 8:55:15 AM(UTC)

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My first birth was natural with only 2 panadine forte for pain relief. My second was an emergency c-section due to stalled labour with a breech baby.

All I can say is I would 110% + recommend the natural birth over a c-section if the choice is available. The c-section was less satisfying, had a lot of emotional stigma attatched to it, reduced the ease of bonding with my baby (especially as you have to go to recovery immediately after, without your baby) and took forever to recover from. I also got an infection from the operating table (which apparently is quite common).

Of course, there are those situations where there is no choice (I certainly didn't have a choice) and each person is entitled to their own decision. But if someone asks me for my opinion, that's what it would be.
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Tracy D Offline
#6 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:00:41 AM(UTC)

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Why you would choose to have major abdominal surgery when there are other alternatives is beyond me but each to their own!!!

DD1 was an emergency c/s after 15 hours of labour and due to the cord strangling her every time I contracted. The next morning, I could hear just about every stage of labour that another woman on the ward was going through and I really did feel a bit sad about not getting to experience all that.

I have since had two VBACs and the recovery is so much better than have a c/s. I would have another c/s if it was absolutely necessary but I will try for a VBAC every time!!
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louellyng Offline
#7 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:02:01 AM(UTC)

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I loved my c-section and have no desire to have a vaginal birth so I guess that puts me in the "too posh to push" category - and I have no problems with that label (it wouldn't be the first time I have been called a snob lol), but I am sure that it is highly offensive to others.

My OB suggested that I have a c-section because DS was so big (4.6kg and 55cm) and I suspect because he preferred c-sections but he would never admit to that of course.

I was booked in for the c-section on a Friday but my waters broke two days before on a Wednesday. It was such a calm process (except for DH having to fly down from work but thats another story). I had no pain from the surgery, was up the next day and felt fantastic. My OB had to tell me to slow down as I felt so well, and there is no scar at all.The worst part for me was that being overweight the OB wanted me to have warfron (sp) injections twice a day to prevent blot clotting - now they hurt and they were only tiny needles heh

I will happily have one for the next baby, although I will admit to still being a little apprehensive about what can go wrong but I am informed and won't dwell on the negatives.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:04:00 AM(UTC)

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Ive had an emergency and an elective c/s...

DS was breech - he was booked for the c/s on the 7th and decided to come one the 3rd - therefore it was emergency and I had to be knocked out so that was in whole a horrible experience.

DD was transverse - I was booked in on the 14th and that is when she came... ive never had a natural to compare to... but DD's birth was much better then DS's!
louellyng Offline
#9 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:06:05 AM(UTC)

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just to add to add to my post, I had no problem bonding with DS, maybe because I knew the c-section was coming so I hadn't had any other plan in mind? Mind you evne before we decided on a c-section I was never concerned about birth plans etc, only having a healthy bub and me once it was over -whether vaginal or otherwise.

Also, DS was given to me immediately after he was checked over and didn't leave my arms until I wanted him to be bathed.

From stories I have read there is a huge difference between the process and recovery from an emergency c-section and an elected one.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:12:52 AM(UTC)

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"louellyng" wrote:
From stories I have read there is a huge difference between the process and recovery from an emergency c-section and an elected one.


Absolutely!! I was completely knocked out for my emergency c/s so I was in and out of it all day long the day that DD1 was born. Although, I never felt like I didn't bond with my girl as I was still able to successfully BF her and she was pretty groggy too for that first day so she slept most of it as well!
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jake&rubys_mum Offline
#11 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:18:53 AM(UTC)


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I don't think its really "too posh to push"..... more like "freaking scared sh*tless".....

Personally for me, I was in labour for a looooong 18hrs with DS, which resulted in a emergency CS due to him being stuck (cause of his big head!!) and me being hysterical by this stage and DS heartrate dropping...

I will say I was PETRIFIED of pushing a baby out of my vagina and this went way before I went into labour... absoloutley petrified... - even when I was in labour and things got really close down there, I was crapping myself. And, all I could say to DF was "what if I sh*t myself" !! :roll: :lol: I really was soo scared. So, I was glad it ended in a ECS

2nd baby, I was determined to get through my fear and have a VBAC. I laboured for 4 hrs and decided nope, I want a CS. :o Labour came on soooo fast and I know she would have been born only a couple hrs after I said I want a CS but I was scared. All my preperation leading up to the birth went out the window and I didn't believe I could actually push a babies head out my vagina. Looking back, I wish DF didn't agree with me soo easily, but he did and at the time I was soo glad I had the CS because the cord was wrapped around her neck badly and thought I had made the best decision.

Now, I really really want to have a natural birth but on my 6 week check up I asked my OB and he said no, I would have to have repeat CS... but, Im going to beg to try for a VBA2C... but no, Im not too posh to push, just scared more likely... as I think would be the case for others.

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jake&rubys_mum Offline
#12 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:20:24 AM(UTC)


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Also, yes the recovery is different for a ECS and an elsective... because with emergency you have been in labour for god knows how many hrs and with an elective you are fresh as a daisy so of course you feel great afterwards. I know that was the case for me anyhow

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#13 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:29:23 AM(UTC)


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i personally have never had a CS but i do have a friend that was definately "to posh to push" she didnt want her vagina stretched to the extreme that comes with childbirth... she was worried that it wouldnt go back to normal!! :roll: :roll:

my dads bosses wife was another "to posh to push" person i know... and it was for the exact same reason as well as having the excuse for family and friends to wait :roll: on her day and night!! her mother even hired a nanny for the first 6 weeks of babys life so she didnt have to get up and do night feeds.... she needed her beauty sleep!!! :roll:
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BekL&E Offline
#14 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:31:12 AM(UTC)

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My doctors were talking about the possibility of a C/S at 34 weeks which is when I was admitted to hospital with pre eclampsia. When the pre eclampsia was at dangerous levels at 36 weeks (still in hospital) and the early stages of HELLP Syndrome were present it was inevitable as my bed resting blood pressure was 185/120!!! They told me natural childbirth would lead to seizure, stroke or death. :| I never made it to my elective C/S though and ended up having an emergency C/S in the middle of the night due to complications with pre eclampsia.

Being told I was having a C/S was like being issued a get out of jail free card after having a hideous labour and 3rd degree tear with DS1. I was nervous but at the same time really relieved!!

As far as the procedure itself, there were no problems at all and loved that I bipassed labour pains and tearing!! I recovered faster short and long term from my C/S then I did with my 3rd degree tear during natural birth. I was able to sit and walk more comfortably in the hours, days and weeks after C/S and had very light bleeding, was able to pass #1's and #2's with ease and pain free... and I did not experience incontinence post C/S either!!

After birthing DS1 I recall saying to DH that I would NEVER EVER EVER do that again!!! After my C/S I told him I could do that again no problems!! The only problem is that the following weeks and months I started to feel cheated and ripped off. I revisit in my mind that euphoria and bliss that I felt after pushing my first son out and compare that the the flat, underwhelming and undeserving feeling I have delivering a baby surgically.

Even though I found a C/S experience to be a breeze compared to a natural delivery (during the birth and recovery) I would go through labour and a 3rd degree tear again just to feel that euphoria one more time. :D :D

Edit: Meant to say that if I had never experienced giving birth naturally, then I am pretty sure I would definitely be ''Too Posh To Push!!'' :oops: :oops: I didn't find the C/S procedure as horrible or painful as many people do.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:32:46 AM(UTC)

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I had a vaginal birth, and would never have an elective C-section!

An emergency C-section, of course if my baby or myself were in danger, but otherwise NO THANKS!!!
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#16 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:33:25 AM(UTC)

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Well I've had an emergency c-section and an elective c-section - no vaginal births so I can't compare them to a natural birth.

The emergency c-section was done after a long labour and various complications, the recovery from that one was hard and for the first day or so I was so out of it just from exhaustion and all the drugs etc. I had no problems bonding with DS1 so there was no problem there.

DS2 I had the option to go c-section or have a "trial of labour" :roll: , in the end after alot of thinking and agonising over it I chose the elective c-section, something in me just kept telling me to go that way. I was booked in at 39 weeks but my waters broke a week earlier. The whole process was so much better, it was calmer, I wasn't on drugs or anything so I knew what was going on and I was up and about the following morning. We had great breastfeeding attachment etc. Afterwards the Obs told me thank goodness I did have the c-section because my scar was very thin and most likely would have ruptured during active labour and the cord was wrapped around his neck so in the end I was so happy I'd listened to my instincts and made that choice.

This baby, I will have a c-section regardless of whether they give me the option for a vaginal birth. Maybe I come under the "too posh to push" catergory, but I'm doing it because I feel it's safer for the baby and I am more comfortable with the idea of a c-section then a vbac.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:42:16 AM(UTC)

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I have had both a c/s and then 9 VBACs.

I'd have to say the c/s was by far the hardest birth, both emotionally and physically. It took much longer to recover from my c/s, and like Bek I felt ripped off. I feel that a major part of my bf problems were from my c/s.

Natural birth is a wonderful and safer experience for most women. Caesareans are major surgery and often performed unneccessarily and promoted as being safer than they are.

Yes, it is every woman's choice, but there should be more unbiased information out there so that it can be an informed choice.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:45:05 AM(UTC)

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I had an elective c-section due to breech presentation. I can honestly say that my actual c-section and recovery was fine, no problem. I can't compare it to a natural birth though. My next bub will be a c-section, not because i'm "too posh to push" but because after my situation with Brandyn I don't want even a tiny risk of rupture etc. Yes I am aware that c-sections also pose a risk but I guess I just feel more comfortable going this route.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:55:31 AM(UTC)


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When I was pg with DS1 i was absolutely dead set against having a c/s, there was no way no how that it was going to happen!! Unfortunately though he had other ideas and after being induced and labouring for 14 1/2 hrs he was getting distressed and had to be born right away, so needless to say I was absolutely terrified as I was rushed down to the theatre. I was lucky though in that they were able to give me a spinal block and therefore saw him as soon as he was born and was able to BF him as soon as I was in recovery.

This time round, I would have liked to try for a VBAC, however have been strongly recommended by my ob/gyn to have an elective c/s because of the trouble we had ttc #2 and the surgery I have had since then - ie. d&c etc. So I have happily booked in for another c/s and while my recovery last time was no where near as bad as I expected, I am looking forward to this time and the recovery being easier due to not having been in labour for so long beforehand.

I do have a friend who is "too posh to push" though, she hasn't even started ttc and is already saying she doesn't want a natural birth because she doesn't want the stretching etc down there, oh and she also doesn't want to try BF because she doesn't want her boobs to sag, so obviously everybody goes into childbirth/parenting with different mind sets.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:58:19 AM(UTC)


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I am thankful to have had 2 natural vaginal births....the thought of a c-section freaks me out! Why anyone would choose to have major surgery if they didn't have to, is beyond me...but each to their own.... :wink:




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