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Waking at 4am- Thanks for the advice!!
Kransky Offline
#1 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 3:35:14 PM(UTC)


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I didn't realise I was bringing an alarm home from the hospital! Boston has decided to scream awake at 4am on the dot every morning just like clockwork. I know he's not hungry because we've already fed so why does he keep waking? He want's a cuddle and won't go back in his bassinet but is still very tired. It's exhausting. I tried putting a beanie on him after his 3am feed but no change. Has anyone experienced this?

(also a quick breastfeeding question, he recently has started to fuss on the boob about 10 minutes in- no idea why but both sides fights going back on after about 10-15 minutes but still hungry??)
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 6:10:56 PM(UTC)


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Are you waking him to feed at 3am? If he is waking at 4am as well i would be feedign again at 4am. There is something in your milk that makes your baby sleepy so why not take advantage of it during the night hehehe


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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 6:12:53 PM(UTC)


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It's probably just his cycle that he's on. Could you bring him into bed with you after that 4am wakeup for a snuggle and a sleep? I used to bring Evelyn into bed with me if it was nearing (or after) dawn.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 6:40:11 PM(UTC)


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Yeah I agree to feed him at 4am as well. Newborns are funny little creatures they seem to have their own idea of how the show is going to run and that means that if he has a feed at 3am and another at 4am then just go with it!!

With the fussing on the boob could it be that your milk let down gushes? I found with DD that when my milk let down it would come out too fast for her so I would take her off for a second while catching the gushing milk into a breast pad or cup/bottle, then pop her back on when the flow slows a bit. That worked a treat!

Good luck and you're doing brilliantly!!! Keep going!!!
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Kransky Offline
#5 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 6:51:43 PM(UTC)


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I did try feeding him at 4 last night and he took one side, but then wanted the other side at 5.30 and more again at 6.30 and I think it was more about comfort than feeding, and it also ment I got zero sleep. Am a bit worried about tonight as am sooo tired.

Not sure about the gushing as he pulls off and tries to go on heaps of times and it's after 10 minutes of feeding. pretty confusing. Sorry I don't mean to sound like a complainer Thanks for all the advice. xx
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 7:01:50 PM(UTC)


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Oh the early days can be so hard!! They do pass though!!

Hmm maybe Beck's suggestion of having some cuddles in bed? I used to BF DD in our bed when I was really tired or if she wouldn't settle. Sometimes those early mornings is just when their little bodies say "ok! It's morning! Time to start the day!" A bit hard when mum has a different idea!!!

Don't know if you are pro-dummy or anti-dummy but a dummy worked wonders for us in the wee hours!! When it was just comfort sucking DD wanted it let her just relax and let us get some rest too.

Also the fussing may also be that his jaw may just be tired from sucking. DD used to be a pauser - she used to suck, pause, suck, pause, and that was ok - took a bit longer to feed her because she wasn't continually sucking, but it meant that she didn't tire. If he is continually sucking he may just need to rest his little cheek muscles?? After 10 minutes you could try giving him a little break. Maybe you could feed him until he fusses, then distract him by changing his nappy then going back at it for another go??

Hope that helps!!
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 7:08:16 PM(UTC)


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Also I just remembered that your breast milk changes from watery to milky.. not sure how far into a session, it could be at that 10 minute mark where your bub has gone from having a nice refreshing drink and now he's getting creamy milk and just needs to get used to it??

Good luck hun xoxo
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Kransky Offline
#8 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 7:34:50 PM(UTC)


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We just tried burping and he went back on well, so maybe it's just wind, Thanks for your suggestions, hope he doesn't form a habit of waking at 4! Just need some sleep really Blink
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Mealsy Offline
#9 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 7:43:27 PM(UTC)

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Hey there,

It is so hard in those first few weeks / months when they are waking all the time, isn't it? It is perfectly normal though as they aren't used to the usual rhythms of sleep (ie long sleep overnight) at that age.

I would just do a quick nappy check, then feed him back to sleep (with lots of burping breaks and a really good burp at the end)and put him down. From my experience and from what I have read the important thing at this very young age is to make a distinction between night and day, I would do whatever it takes to resettle him - probably a feed is what he wants - but keep the lights off / dim and don't wake him right up with lots of talking etc if you can help it. Soon he will learn that there is a difference between night and day and he will start to sleep for longer periods at night.

As for the fussing, probably the most common cause is wind - this would fit in with the waking an hour after feeding at 4 am too. Especially in the first few minutes of a feed they tend to gulp down a lot of air with their milk and this can make them feel all full even if they are actually hungry - maybe this is why he is waking wanting milk again so soon? It can obviously also make their little tummies uncomfortable, which could be causng the fussing and the waking too. I would try burping him after 3 minutes (really do it properly - keep trying til he burps!) then every time you change sides or every time he pulls off after that. Sounds like a lot I know, but it really helps!

Good luck! It does get easier - don't worry! Smile
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 7:44:38 PM(UTC)

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LOL I must be psychic! Posted at the same time as you!
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Operation MIBS (Make Isabelle a Big Sister) is stepping up a notch - it's IVF for us in May 2012

Kransky Offline
#11 Posted : Tuesday, 13 September 2011 8:03:17 PM(UTC)


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Thanks girls!! It's so great how supportive you are xx
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, 14 September 2011 8:26:35 AM(UTC)

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Hi girls! One of my work collegues sister recently lost her son at 3 months due to smothering from co-sleeping. She is trying to start up a foundation to help educate people on the potential dangers of having your baby in bed with you when you are an exhausted new mum. After reading this post and seeing a few of you suggesting this, i just felt knowing what she is going through that she would want me to pass this on.



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#13 Posted : Wednesday, 14 September 2011 10:45:02 AM(UTC)


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I just wanted to say thanks again girls for your advice! I have been burping him about 5 times per side now and it's done amazing things. We had a feed through 4am so I'm not sure if he would have woken then but we'll see tonight. I'm pretty sure he is sleeping better and happier, he is settling more easily- I had no idea that he was that windy!!

Katie I'm so sorry for your friends loss, we are trying really hard (and mostly successfully) not to co-sleep. What a scary thought smothering is.
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Mealsy Offline
#14 Posted : Wednesday, 14 September 2011 11:17:52 AM(UTC)

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Oh that's great - glad he is a bit more settled for you ThumpUp

Yeah I always felt a bit scared to co-sleep but wanted DD nice and close so we just had her in a bassinette next to our bed. So sad to hear about your friend KatieJ Crying

It was a bit more tiring always having to get up, settle her back to sleep (usually by feeding) then put her back into her basinette in those early days, but DD is now a beautifully settled sleeper so it worked for us.

Some people seem to have good results with cosleeping, but I have also heard stories from friends who still have bubby coming into their bed at 17 / 18 months every night and being unable to self settle at all Scared So that and the safety issue makes me feel that we made the right decision for us.

Each to his own though of course. Smile

Good luck!!!

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, 14 September 2011 8:38:19 PM(UTC)

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Kransky wrote:
we are trying really hard (and mostly successfully) not to co-sleep. What a scary thought smothering is.


Just on the co-sleeping issue, we did it with DS and took all the precautions and found it worked for us. We didn't use pillows, dressed very lightly, had our quilt such that it was tucked in and could not come past our waists or so, don't smoke or take drugs.

If co-sleeping is what works for you and means you and your baby manage to get more sleep, then don't feel like it is the 'wrong' thing to do.

I sometimes wish DS was still interested in co-sleeping, especially on the weekends when it would be just lovely if he would snuggle between the 2 of us and have some extra sleep of a morning !

Great work on the burping - I found this is what helped DS too. It was a pain taking him off the breast and burping him frequently, but it was what was needed.

Sorry to hear about your friend KatieJ.








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#16 Posted : Tuesday, 8 November 2011 11:55:44 AM(UTC)

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Being new in here and still scouring around, I thought I'd bring this to the front and see how Boston's doing now that he's a little bit older and (hopefully) more settled.

when DD was coming into this time of year as a baby, even though she was around 6 months old, we found that the earlier sunlight didn't help our cause (gotta love blockout curtains) and the lighter sleeping clothes/blankets didn't quite keep her warm enough and she would wake from the cooler temps.

Whatever the case was, I hope now the sleeping patterns for all of you are a little more reasonable :D
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, 8 November 2011 4:26:21 PM(UTC)


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Thanks for thinking of us oz_gal! We are sleeping better now although he still wakes at 4 am but now it's for a feed! Congratulations on your pregnancy!!!
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